My definition of Duality

topic posted Sat, November 24, 2007 - 2:40 AM by  offlineOo0oO
The way I interpret the word Duality is: the seeing, being, perception, creating, perpetuating, among other words, of divisive, hatefull, ways of War. That perpetuation of enemy, and realities assosiated with War.
Therefore to me Non-duality is a state or effort of Unity, community, friends, Peace, Lovers, and absoulutly a Profound Lack of War Idealy all the way into the perfect aspects of subtle life, Self, and relationships.

Peace & Blessings

Journey
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  • Re: My definition of Duality

    Sat, November 24, 2007 - 9:26 AM
    > Therefore to me Non-duality is a state or effort of Unity, community, friends, Peace, Lovers, and absoulutly a Profound Lack of War Idealy all the way into the perfect aspects of subtle life, Self, and relationships.
    *****
    As soon as you define what the nondual is, you've killed it with a thousand guns.
    • Unsu...
       

      Re: My definition of Duality

      Sat, November 24, 2007 - 3:21 PM
      Tao-te-ching; by Lao-Tzu, translated by Arthur Waley (1934)
      Chapter 1:

      The Way that can be told of is not the Unvarying Way;
      The names that can be named are not unvarying names.
      It was from the Nameless that Heaven and Earth were born;
      The named is but the mother that rears in the ten thousand creatures, each after its kind.
      Truly, “Only he that rids himself forever of desire can see the Secret Essences”;
      He that has never rid himself of desire can see only the Outcomes.
      These two things issued from the same mould, but nevertheless are different in name.
      This “same mould” we can but call the Mystery,
      Or rather the “Darker than any Mystery,”
      The Doorway whence issued all Secret Essences.
    • Unsu...
       

      Re: My definition of Duality

      Sun, November 25, 2007 - 9:14 AM
      **As soon as you define what the nondual is, you've killed it with a thousand guns.**

      this is, in sense, an absurdity: the one that imagines it has the power to kill the nondual, of which it is integrally connected to, and seamlessly part of, has no power to kill it, with a thousand guns or otherwise. what is always there can't be killed. it's a cool image though, and a good pointer.

      i would say too, addressing the original post, starting with a concept, any concept, of what is dual or not dual is not a bad thing to do. concepts of the nondual cannot hold and will al fall, instantly or eventually. then, what is left?
      • Re: My definition of Duality

        Sun, November 25, 2007 - 10:30 AM
        > this is, in sense, an absurdity
        *****
        Truly, any time we talk of being anyone who can know nonduality, we are being absurd.

        But the truth, while ever living, is made so obscure and remote by our thoughts about it that we may as well be a Green Beret assault squad against it.
  • Re: My definition of Duality

    Mon, January 28, 2008 - 5:06 AM
    Or is duality the perception of the two different sizes of characters in your name 'Oo0oO', when there are in fact three?

    Karl
    • Re: My definition of Duality

      Mon, January 28, 2008 - 7:19 AM
      Duality is everything. Every-thing. The one thing duality is not is no-thing. No-thing contains everything, but has nothing to do with any thing.
      • Re: My definition of Duality

        Tue, January 29, 2008 - 4:39 AM
        Although your comment is duelistic, in that you are saying the no-thing can't play with everything. Comment from the no-thing.that apparently contains everthing but is'nt allowed to be classified as a part of everything even though you grouped them together anyway:
        : ) "Have'nt you heard its a battle of words"Pink Floyd
        My hope in introducing this comment was to define the word more soildly for the sake of disscusion.
        When words are defined to broadly, it tends to be easier for people to get lost, in disscusion or even worse start to fight because of different understandings of the same word, or actions related to the same words. For example George Bush was in Saudi Arabi to talk Peace with a multi million dollar arms deal.
        My definition of peace has virtually nothing to do with guns. If people were maybe a little more definite about the mixing of seemingly opposite words, and actions, maybe there wouldn't be so many gullable people(or blind followers) related to the important issues like staying alive, and True Peace.
        All in good fun.
        Thanks for the comments
        • Re: My definition of Duality

          Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:32 AM
          > Although your comment is duelistic,
          *****
          There is nothing that can be commented on that is not dualistic. As soon as comment is made, dualism prevails, even and especially when you are attempting to comment on the eternally uncommentable.

          > the no-thing can't play with everything.
          *****
          No-thing doesn't play. It only exists as itself. To play requires a subject and object. What I hear you proposing is that the no-thing plays with everything as a thing. That is another dualism, which we will never escape in the context of any discussion we choose to have.

          > no-thing.that apparently contains everthing but is'nt allowed to be classified as a part of everything
          *****
          Think about what you just said: "classified as a part of everything." Note the words: "a part." Who's making dualisms now?
          • Re: My definition of Duality

            Tue, January 29, 2008 - 6:21 PM
            it is crazy making to try to talk about it, or explain it - it being nonduality.

            i can't think about it too long or i get kinda anxious. trying to wrap my little brain around it makes me feel clinically mad.
            • Re: My definition of Duality

              Tue, January 29, 2008 - 6:42 PM
              > trying to wrap my little brain around it makes me feel clinically mad
              *****
              You know what's amazing? It's completely wrapped around your normal, ordinary consciousness, as well as any abnormal states you may know.

              Folks make a HUGE mistake when they decide to believe that nondual realization is some kind of out-of-this-world peak state of consciousness. It's just the regular shit, with maybe a bit added understanding.

              The mind cannot capture its truth, but its truth possesses itself – as who we are right now – in every moment of our lives, and the mind can see a kind of reflection of that.
              • Re: My definition of Duality

                Tue, January 29, 2008 - 6:51 PM
                and the mind can see a kind of reflection of that. "

                its not the reflection of nonduality that creates anxiety.
                its the perception of ego death thats terrifying to it - that is creating the anxiety.



                i don't believe what you wrote btw. any attempt or thought that the mind has is by definition NOT nonduality.

                seeing a reflection is by definition NOT nonduality.

                • Re: My definition of Duality

                  Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:07 PM
                  > seeing a reflection is by definition NOT nonduality.
                  *****
                  Yep.

                  But the nondual does provide knowledge of its existence. That's what realization is. What else could it be?
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                    Re: My definition of Duality

                    Wed, January 30, 2008 - 9:32 PM
                    But the nondual does provide knowledge of its existence. That's what realization is. What else could it be?"



                    more crazy ramblings of the mind???

                    again, any talk of this is subject is not the subject ... so i just tend to keep quiet about it.
  • Re: My definition of Duality

    Mon, February 4, 2008 - 1:07 AM
    I believe Non-Duality, does not take away individuality.
    I believe non-duality does not imply or impose sameness or borg consiousness.
    I stand by my definition. As two and yet one that is nonduality, as one and yet none, the only division is imposed by a division but even divsion can be non-dual, as this example, I am the friend that knows the friend in you, even when you seem not to be a friend. You are the friend that knows the friend in me, even when we write in different languages and there could be more, less or other. You may see paradox or duality in this statment, but if you precieve a truth, you are relative or in non-duality with that truth, even if that is not someoneelses relation to that truth. In your heart you find you are right or I am right or wrong you have found a peace of non-duality in the relation to yourself or something else even nothing if it is choosen to be something the middle ground being peace or choice or whatever word that can choose to create. When I proposed a defintion of non-duality the intention was to create a tool that are disscustions, could be easier it is then my choice how I react to the perceptions of non-dual, or dual words, but your choice in creating those words. The Point is Peace, if there is all peace, there is no war unless war is choosen or precieved. Simple and profound when we are the Pros Found, untill then I choose nothingness for the sack of Peace or should I choose something, and I am wondering what you choose for me and for you, I like the word friends better than non-duality any way. I believe Peace and non-duality allow for freedom even the freedom to fight because through that freedom there can be a realization of the non-dual once again, an invitation to be at peace that is in relationship to the freedom to choose to strive for all peace in all ways.
    I wonder if this definition is in a more peacefull relation or way with your definition of Non-duality? Or shall we simpley allow this conversation to drift into the non-dualisic nothingness of the everything, with regards to the nothing? In other words Peace & Blessing whatever the ^$@#$^&(% I just wrote. : )

    Oo0oO
    • Re: My definition of Duality

      Mon, February 4, 2008 - 6:06 PM
      > I believe Non-Duality, does not take away individuality.
      > I believe non-duality does not imply or impose sameness or borg consiousness.
      *****
      Hallelujah!

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