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The way I interpret the word Duality is: the seeing, being, perception, creating, perpetuating, among other words, of divisive, hatefull, ways of War. That perpetuation of enemy, and realities assosiated with War.
Therefore to me Non-duality is a state or effort of Unity, community, friends, Peace, Lovers, and absoulutly a Profound Lack of War Idealy all the way into the perfect aspects of subtle life, Self, and relationships.
Peace & Blessings
Journey
Therefore to me Non-duality is a state or effort of Unity, community, friends, Peace, Lovers, and absoulutly a Profound Lack of War Idealy all the way into the perfect aspects of subtle life, Self, and relationships.
Peace & Blessings
Journey
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 9:26 AM> Therefore to me Non-duality is a state or effort of Unity, community, friends, Peace, Lovers, and absoulutly a Profound Lack of War Idealy all the way into the perfect aspects of subtle life, Self, and relationships.
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 3:21 PMTao-te-ching; by Lao-Tzu, translated by Arthur Waley (1934)
Chapter 1:
The Way that can be told of is not the Unvarying Way;
The names that can be named are not unvarying names.
It was from the Nameless that Heaven and Earth were born;
The named is but the mother that rears in the ten thousand creatures, each after its kind.
Truly, “Only he that rids himself forever of desire can see the Secret Essences”;
He that has never rid himself of desire can see only the Outcomes.
These two things issued from the same mould, but nevertheless are different in name.
This “same mould” we can but call the Mystery,
Or rather the “Darker than any Mystery,”
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Re: My definition of Duality
Mon, November 26, 2007 - 4:08 PMI didn't know Lao-Tzu wrote books!
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sun, January 27, 2008 - 1:34 PMWould you share your definition of desire please?
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 9:14 AM**As soon as you define what the nondual is, you've killed it with a thousand guns.**
this is, in sense, an absurdity: the one that imagines it has the power to kill the nondual, of which it is integrally connected to, and seamlessly part of, has no power to kill it, with a thousand guns or otherwise. what is always there can't be killed. it's a cool image though, and a good pointer.
i would say too, addressing the original post, starting with a concept, any concept, of what is dual or not dual is not a bad thing to do. concepts of the nondual cannot hold and will al fall, instantly or eventually. then, what is left? -
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 10:30 AM> this is, in sense, an absurdity
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Truly, any time we talk of being anyone who can know nonduality, we are being absurd.
But the truth, while ever living, is made so obscure and remote by our thoughts about it that we may as well be a Green Beret assault squad against it.
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sun, January 27, 2008 - 1:31 PMI don't own a gun : )
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Re: My definition of Duality
Mon, January 28, 2008 - 5:06 AMOr is duality the perception of the two different sizes of characters in your name 'Oo0oO', when there are in fact three?
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 7:19 AMDuality is everything. Every-thing. The one thing duality is not is no-thing. No-thing contains everything, but has nothing to do with any thing. -
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 4:39 AMAlthough your comment is duelistic, in that you are saying the no-thing can't play with everything. Comment from the no-thing.that apparently contains everthing but is'nt allowed to be classified as a part of everything even though you grouped them together anyway:
: ) "Have'nt you heard its a battle of words"Pink Floyd
My hope in introducing this comment was to define the word more soildly for the sake of disscusion.
When words are defined to broadly, it tends to be easier for people to get lost, in disscusion or even worse start to fight because of different understandings of the same word, or actions related to the same words. For example George Bush was in Saudi Arabi to talk Peace with a multi million dollar arms deal.
My definition of peace has virtually nothing to do with guns. If people were maybe a little more definite about the mixing of seemingly opposite words, and actions, maybe there wouldn't be so many gullable people(or blind followers) related to the important issues like staying alive, and True Peace.
All in good fun.
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 5:00 AM"Although your comment is duelistic, "
Did you really mean DUELISTIC?
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:04 AMInDubadubly I think did I spell it wrong?
I can't spell so well. and sometimes UnPorposely.
Feel free to correct me.
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Re: My definition of Duality
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:32 AM> Although your comment is duelistic,
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There is nothing that can be commented on that is not dualistic. As soon as comment is made, dualism prevails, even and especially when you are attempting to comment on the eternally uncommentable.
> the no-thing can't play with everything.
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No-thing doesn't play. It only exists as itself. To play requires a subject and object. What I hear you proposing is that the no-thing plays with everything as a thing. That is another dualism, which we will never escape in the context of any discussion we choose to have.
> no-thing.that apparently contains everthing but is'nt allowed to be classified as a part of everything
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Think about what you just said: "classified as a part of everything." Note the words: "a part." Who's making dualisms now? -
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Re: My definition of Duality
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 6:21 PMit is crazy making to try to talk about it, or explain it - it being nonduality.
i can't think about it too long or i get kinda anxious. trying to wrap my little brain around it makes me feel clinically mad. -
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 6:42 PM> trying to wrap my little brain around it makes me feel clinically mad
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You know what's amazing? It's completely wrapped around your normal, ordinary consciousness, as well as any abnormal states you may know.
Folks make a HUGE mistake when they decide to believe that nondual realization is some kind of out-of-this-world peak state of consciousness. It's just the regular shit, with maybe a bit added understanding.
The mind cannot capture its truth, but its truth possesses itself – as who we are right now – in every moment of our lives, and the mind can see a kind of reflection of that. -
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Re: My definition of Duality
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 6:51 PMand the mind can see a kind of reflection of that. "
its not the reflection of nonduality that creates anxiety.
its the perception of ego death thats terrifying to it - that is creating the anxiety.
i don't believe what you wrote btw. any attempt or thought that the mind has is by definition NOT nonduality.
seeing a reflection is by definition NOT nonduality.
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Re: My definition of Duality
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:07 PM> seeing a reflection is by definition NOT nonduality.
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Yep.
But the nondual does provide knowledge of its existence. That's what realization is. What else could it be? -
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Re: My definition of Duality
Wed, January 30, 2008 - 9:32 PMBut the nondual does provide knowledge of its existence. That's what realization is. What else could it be?"
more crazy ramblings of the mind???
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 6:21 AMSo you maintain that a state called "realization" doesn't have anything to do with nondual understanding.
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Re: My definition of Duality
Fri, February 1, 2008 - 12:35 PMgoooooood question
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 1:07 AMI believe Non-Duality, does not take away individuality.
I believe non-duality does not imply or impose sameness or borg consiousness.
I stand by my definition. As two and yet one that is nonduality, as one and yet none, the only division is imposed by a division but even divsion can be non-dual, as this example, I am the friend that knows the friend in you, even when you seem not to be a friend. You are the friend that knows the friend in me, even when we write in different languages and there could be more, less or other. You may see paradox or duality in this statment, but if you precieve a truth, you are relative or in non-duality with that truth, even if that is not someoneelses relation to that truth. In your heart you find you are right or I am right or wrong you have found a peace of non-duality in the relation to yourself or something else even nothing if it is choosen to be something the middle ground being peace or choice or whatever word that can choose to create. When I proposed a defintion of non-duality the intention was to create a tool that are disscustions, could be easier it is then my choice how I react to the perceptions of non-dual, or dual words, but your choice in creating those words. The Point is Peace, if there is all peace, there is no war unless war is choosen or precieved. Simple and profound when we are the Pros Found, untill then I choose nothingness for the sack of Peace or should I choose something, and I am wondering what you choose for me and for you, I like the word friends better than non-duality any way. I believe Peace and non-duality allow for freedom even the freedom to fight because through that freedom there can be a realization of the non-dual once again, an invitation to be at peace that is in relationship to the freedom to choose to strive for all peace in all ways.
I wonder if this definition is in a more peacefull relation or way with your definition of Non-duality? Or shall we simpley allow this conversation to drift into the non-dualisic nothingness of the everything, with regards to the nothing? In other words Peace & Blessing whatever the ^$@#$^&(% I just wrote. : )
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 6:06 PM> I believe Non-Duality, does not take away individuality.
> I believe non-duality does not imply or impose sameness or borg consiousness.
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Re: My definition of Duality
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 3:28 AMBalance=Balance is an example of Possible unity or could be called non-duality
Or Balance=balance, the second representing how there can still be unity with respect to individuality,
Or a more fun example BalaNCE=bALAnce but the farther from the norm, may be, unfortunately, in certain circles still to easily feared and misunderstood. These fears and misunderstandings need healing and diverse respect.
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Re: My definition of Duality
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 6:09 PMmay i ask a question And not OR
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Fri, May 15, 2009 - 6:35 PM> AND NOT OR
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Re: My definition of Duality
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 6:39 PMhmm.. I was quite tired when I wrote that .. lol
For some reason I thought the thread was about definitions of 'non duality'...
'AND' not 'OR' means to me: When you allow yourself to know that everything is equally valid, loved and valued and that every being, perspective and choice is equally valid you can see that all such questions of 'is this correct?', 'is this true?', 'is this right?', 'is this good?' are capable of being equally answered in the negative and positive and still being accurate.. thus ultimately it is 'and' and not 'or'..
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Fri, May 15, 2009 - 9:58 PMAs we wish so we may chose And Choice Or
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Sat, May 16, 2009 - 6:41 AM"May i ask a question "
You just did!
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sat, May 16, 2009 - 2:59 PMI read it much differently. If you see a "thing," you can "add" it, "or" compare to it, deny it ("not"), or oppose it ("against").
In my book, nonduality is not the result of any approach to life. I don't believe you can put the world into a nondual framing with the mind. I find that only promotes more occluding ideas, rather than foster a clarity of direct perception.
The mind is set up to protect the organism. Its job is to identify and respond to environmental conditions appropriately. A mind which lives in recognition of what is nondual does not abdicate this function, although it does have a way of "seeing" around it.
Imagine the mind as an endless train of boxcars, each car being a thought. We misidentify as the train rather than as the space which contains the train. Because the cars are linked so tightly, that space is fleeting to us. If one day there's a break in the train, and we see clearly the space between the cars, we'll now know ourselves as nondual truth. No reframing of the world is necessary for that. We can be apparent individuals, functioning in a society where it makes sense to watch out for trucks on the road, and still know what is nondual about us, and by extension, the world at large. -
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Re: My definition of Duality
Sun, May 17, 2009 - 5:23 PMBalance
I agree
But,<(dualistic) the framing can relate if we chose or are chosen by, or, of, the non duality(or not=?), can't<(or so=?)(respect for the No, or opposition, maybe unwise, to much duality can hurt relevant to individual tolerance and maybe perception thus the need without needfor clarity can or___be called non duality. In another book non duality if together agreed upon can be perfect and yet allways even beyond perfect, when that which was perfect is no longer the preference or greater agreed upon perfection or, still?___what is Non dual Oo0oO & thank you you and your answers are very welcomed.) If it is dualistic, and something completely different also, still the understanding and oneness with even just a piece of the (beyond mind positive)or here called non duality, ? if we, or may we choose it to be, be included=?=_____space for other answer if or even if not non dual.
What is perception? but maybe(again space for conversation or resoulution2the questions answer)the seat of the soul, the word can mean what i know them to mean but with out the acceptance of community, these words are, with request & respect to relate to other non dual words=friend.
relate?
Hope Peace redefining conversation having had glimmering glimpses of non duality, i think non duality can(with respect to duality even here called ? or not) be an approach, can even be all and of course so much more else, less and something beyond different, beyond mind even, again with ?++hope space______ for your answers allows with respect or non duality greater greater community and individuality and mind even, with regards yes to all life and the organism true or other organisms advice or maybe ?[Adbicate this function][box car][choice][good][bad][you][me][community][perception][misidentify][preference][hope][resolution][again choice of creation, created, or maybe even ? but hopefully balance and transcendent Peace}{with hope and respect for communal greater perfected and preferred resolution of lack of space or maybe depending on perceptual opposition a wiser new caboose with more space to carry the luggage and or yet to be resolved butt with hope of resolution still other space]_ _ _ _ _✌_ _ _ _ _{?}_ _ _ _Ω_ _ _ _ {or}_ _ _ _{at least hope and space devoted to possibilities and new creation of greater space with or without the Train, My preference 2 is for no trains, but electric cars could be an interim or huemorousness next although still relatively temporary, ephemeral or maybe even not but again hope for consensus]............................
non duality
Peace
Oo0oO
although also still Journey maybe with hope and forgiveness and space to relate to you and yours
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